From: "Anthony" <magneton@netspace.net.au>
Newsgroups: alt.meditation
Subject: Re: define?
Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2000 22:15:40 +1100
Message-ID: <85s99n$2nl$1@news.latrobe.edu.au>
Hi Dean,
An interesting post. I thought I would just make a couple
of points.
I tend to think that suffering is, in part, due to the
incongruence between what the mind thinks reality should be like and
what reality is actually like. In creating expectations about what
the future should hold, but where reality becomes different, the
mind begins to worry or get angry - it loses its footing - and the
individual suffers. To live in the moment is to spend much less time
creating expectations about what the future should hold, or even
worrying about why the past did not turn out as you think it should.
One major question is: why do our minds always want to
create expectations for the way reality should be? I think that the
answer is that the mind is seeking happiness, greater and greater
degrees of happiness. The mind says, "I will be happy if such
and such happens", and it imagines how happy this such and such
will be. Should it not happen, the mind is thrown off course for a
time, plunging into more obvious depths of worry or anger, until the
next formulation for happiness is created. To say it like this is
rather simplistic but I think that it is, at least, implicit in much
of the behaviour of the mind.
Now if this is the case, then what is a way for the mind
to become more focused in the present? It is this question that I
think is controversial. You have outlined one possible way. You have
advocated the idea that if one meditates, then one learns to remain
focused in the present. If I am reading this correctly, you are
suggesting that the mind is in some way trained to rest in the
present. If I have made a misinterpretation, then please correct me.
But can the mind really be trained to do this? I think it can *to a
certain extent*, but I would also think that this would be rather
difficult for many people, especially trying to maintain
'mindfulness' during the activity of the day. This latter technique
could actually be a strain, dividing the mind during activity,
because one part of the mind always needs to be watching the other
part of the mind in order to assess whether it is remaining focused
in the present. Otherwise, you are saying that when the mind is
resting more in the present, then a new found "underlying"
joy can be experienced in whatever is happening.
The other possibility is that happiness itself is the
solution for bringing the mind to a state of greater restfulness and
focus in the present. This is placing the cause and effect the other
way around. Happiness becomes the cause and life in the moment
becomes the effect, rather than describing it the other way around.
Some have advocated that certain types of meditation bring the
individual to a state of deep rest, and within this state, a feeling
of contentment or joy or peace or whatever, is found. This state may
not last for a great deal of time outside of meditation, but it can
grow over time to continue for longer and longer periods outside of
meditation. Now the claim is that such a state of contentment
results in the mind just naturally being focused in the present. If
the mind is searching for happiness, but a deep state of happiness
(or contentment, I am referring to 'happiness' in quite a broad
sense), then the mind doesn't feel any impulse to spend much time
trying to envision the future; it has what it needs.
Now we could say that it doesn't really matter how we
intellectualise the process in which meditation leads to greater
focus in the present moment; the outcome may well be the same
regardless. However, it does matter when we start to advocate other
practices like trying to stay mindful outside meditation. These
often require mental effort, and in trying to control the mind, a
lot of frustration can result, the net effect of which is a lack of
peacefulness and much less chance of stilling the mind (assuming
that the second approach that I outlined has some merit to it). The
other consequence of reversing the cause and effect of what you
wrote is that we begin to see enlightenment in a different way. To
live in the present moment may not be *all* that enlightenment is;
it may be one of the features of being in some kind of a state where
the mind naturally comes to rest. When one is living in the present
most of the time, with much less fear of the future, one would be
living in that state of greater happiness. What else does this state
produce in the individual?
Just a few ideas. I am not necessarily advocating one
position over another, but rather documenting them here for the time
being. I would be interested to know what you think.
-- Regards,
Anthony
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